tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.comments2024-01-03T20:28:17.727-08:00Future Planetary ExplorationVan Kanehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14227978868817989527noreply@blogger.comBlogger816125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-88597534964419037792017-11-08T04:56:40.668-08:002017-11-08T04:56:40.668-08:00Van, getting closer to the down selection of the n...Van, getting closer to the down selection of the next NF mission. Is there a date or a conference this announcement will be made? Sometimes they are released at a set meeting, other times they are just announced and simply curious.Ken Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00071183562613176375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-71017811538904916492017-10-19T09:14:25.663-07:002017-10-19T09:14:25.663-07:00Actually my dream mission sequence would be - VOX ...Actually my dream mission sequence would be - VOX to get us a global view of Venus for topography, gravity, composition and atmospheric dynamics plus the much needed isotope measurements. This would be followed by ESA EnVision which can use the VOX data to target their high resolution radar mapping and adds on the global atmospheric datasets. And with all this data we would be perfectly prepared for Venera-D<br />I know - it’s a dream but it would the start of a real International Venus exploration programplanetguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02673762863436834186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-61425592939599694742017-10-19T07:37:20.426-07:002017-10-19T07:37:20.426-07:00Hi
VOX has the capacity to take along cubesats. Th...Hi<br />VOX has the capacity to take along cubesats. There would most likely be a call for them once VOX is select. CUVE would obviously be a good candidate - as would be a cubesat lander ;)planetguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02673762863436834186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-83121056304002401752017-10-01T13:43:52.320-07:002017-10-01T13:43:52.320-07:00Edmund - VOX and Venera-D would be a superb combin...Edmund - VOX and Venera-D would be a superb combination. The latter would include instruments for upper atmosphere studies including I suspect a uv spectrometer. Otherwise vox could carry CUVE although the former is a JPL and the latter a Goddard proposal. JPL likes to propose cubesats as possible extension but proposes its own. A UV instrument would enable measurements of sulfur compounds, a NF goal not addressed by VOX currently Van Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14227978868817989527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-51221073326352620472017-10-01T13:25:55.743-07:002017-10-01T13:25:55.743-07:00Hi Van, if VOX was selected and Venera-D was to al...Hi Van, if VOX was selected and Venera-D was to also be launched, would this cover the Decadal Requirements? Also having read about the CUVE cubesat would the VOX mission be able to also incorporate CUVE?Edmund Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-44338786140983635602017-09-07T09:50:43.186-07:002017-09-07T09:50:43.186-07:00Hi, Van, the Trojan Tour proposal was cancelled wh...Hi, Van, the Trojan Tour proposal was cancelled which explains why you're not hearing anything about it. There's a newer New Frontiers proposal called VOX for Venus Origins Explorer.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09386510490170163090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-42206531805271913492017-09-04T08:48:19.812-07:002017-09-04T08:48:19.812-07:00James Webb Telescope will study our solar system&#...James Webb Telescope will study our solar system's 'ocean worlds'<br />and all so we will get some good result, regrading this.<br />Nice article. Earth-like planet GJ832 in star system only 16 light years away ... for more read here at https://www.loganspace.com/earth-observation/earth-like-planet-gj832-star-system-16-light-years-away/space bloghttps://www.loganspace.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-25359793364967961242017-08-28T08:44:59.756-07:002017-08-28T08:44:59.756-07:00This certainly brings up the familiar situation of...This certainly brings up the familiar situation of wanting to see more than one of these fly.<br /><br />I find myself leaning towards Venus, which has not drawn an American spacecraft (gravity assist flybys notwithstanding) in 28 years. In the 1963 Rose Bowl Parade, a float showed Mariner 2 flying by Venus. I think it would have shocked the crowds then to know that the U.S. will not have flown a mission to Venus' surface (one Pioneer Venus probe whose strictly atmospheric instruments kept working after landing notwithstanding) in the subsequent *sixty* years. But the motive here isn't just turf. As we begin to discover Earth-sized planets orbiting other stars, Venus gains importance as the only example of these that can be visited.<br /><br />Enceladus and Titan can't be ignored or downplayed – they are both enormously interesting and could certainly attract some superb missions. I wonder, in a hand-waving way, if our digestion of Cassini data is complete. The scientific community mulled over Europa, leading to at least one furious debate, for many, many years after Galileo, and I see Titan and Enceladus as no less complex. I'm sure that any mission planned now would produce rich payoffs, but it's more bang for the buck to let the scientific process run its course with Cassini results. I'm not sure that any Enceladus proposal makes more than an incremental boost on the wealth of Cassini data. Venus, on the other hand, is very much overdue, and we've had decades to make what we can of Magellan, etc. data.<br /><br />So at my distance from the details, I'm rooting for VICI or VISAGE. Failing that, we know Titan is a target rich environment. Comets, gas giants, and the Moon seem far less "overdue." I'm sure something exciting will transpire.John Rehlinghttp://sciencepiazza.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-55722998853838517342017-08-27T10:14:59.801-07:002017-08-27T10:14:59.801-07:00I see a orbiter for Uranus and Neptune as the next...I see a orbiter for Uranus and Neptune as the next mission NASA should do.And they should be remote type of probe because they would carry more instruments around 15 if my memory if right,But if you add a probe into the atmospheres it would reduce that instrument list to 3 plus a probe to Neptune large moon,thought to be KBO capture by Neptune,<br />But I think both the atmospheric probe and the lander could be launch on another carrier space probe....<br />Plus the Kepler ST had discover that many of the exo planet are the same size as Uranus and Neptune....LA0noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-88139135404440454222017-08-09T04:38:01.290-07:002017-08-09T04:38:01.290-07:00Nice Blog Post !Nice Blog Post !Used PC Dealerhttp://www.electrocw.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-46009712434020605372017-08-05T16:15:27.915-07:002017-08-05T16:15:27.915-07:00Oops! Corrected. Thanks!Oops! Corrected. Thanks!Van Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14227978868817989527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-67597876267988294602017-08-05T12:31:01.572-07:002017-08-05T12:31:01.572-07:00For this current competition, NASA’s managers adde...For this current competition, NASA’s managers added two additional targets, ¿Titan’s? moons Enceladus and Titan.<br /><br />¿Titan? ¿Saturn?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-60324430454265587472017-08-05T07:26:27.034-07:002017-08-05T07:26:27.034-07:00Oh, and I'd like to see an ocean worlds missio...Oh, and I'd like to see an ocean worlds mission, too. This is the last chance to have a mission arrive within my probable lifetime.Van Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14227978868817989527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-90127275700081483392017-08-05T07:24:21.272-07:002017-08-05T07:24:21.272-07:00Hi Ken, good to hear from you again. I think it&#...Hi Ken, good to hear from you again. I think it's very unlikely that two NF missions will be picked. That's just too much of a hit to NASA's budget. Picking two Discovery missions works because the flight rate is higher and mission costs lower -- by combining two selections at once, NASA avoids the costs and administration of a second competition and selection (and saves the proposing community the same).<br /><br />The only way I could see two picked might be if NASA selects a non-ocean worlds mission, and Culberson adds money to the budget. But he's already going to have to search high and low to get money to support the Europa Clipper and lander.Van Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14227978868817989527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-70839959299100860702017-08-05T04:05:14.450-07:002017-08-05T04:05:14.450-07:00Wow! No where have I been able to find this long s...Wow! No where have I been able to find this long sought after info on the upcoming New Frontiers selection. I will admit, I have become an Ocean Worlds snob and simply feel we HAVE TO go to Enceladus, but have to admit we also need to go back to Venus. Dragonfly is the most exciting but can't help to feel it is too complicated for the next flight. Van, any chance they select NF4 and NF5 like they just did with Discovery missions? Even if they did, I could not see them selecting both Ocean Worlds proposals. Felt NASA made a big mistake in recently choosing similar Discovery missions!Ken Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00071183562613176375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-77421186485001802902017-07-29T12:59:14.669-07:002017-07-29T12:59:14.669-07:00I would think because Pluto is the most Earth-like...I would think because Pluto is the most Earth-like planet, Pluto gets precidence over Uranus or Neptune. Impact origin being key. If someone invents a room temperature superconductor, Pluto might be one of the best places to look for REEs. There would've been lots of steam after impact, and the venting steam may have concentrated REEs in veins. I suppose Psyche won't be looking for these. Probably it is reason enough to use James Webb to find NEOs. To me the biggest NASA applications is using quantum entangled microwaves for remote sensing caves. Any planetary mission looking for polarization rotations as one microwave passes through salt, limestone, lava tubes, ice caves, on another world, will help keep Earth safe. Triton will have ice caves just like a bad robot would find on Earth.Robots2005 AI2015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-17565241752500938822017-07-19T02:55:53.877-07:002017-07-19T02:55:53.877-07:00nice postnice postlizahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06035184100892779826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-64178600586585636132017-06-29T10:19:59.937-07:002017-06-29T10:19:59.937-07:00Edmund - The instrument sets were selected to prov...Edmund - The instrument sets were selected to provide three price-capability points. The 7 instrument, 90 kilogram set provides a major step up in capabilities over the minimum set and address a number of additional science questions.<br /><br />I would be surprised if the orbiter doesn't carry a robust instrument suite. However, the cost of more instruments, especially any that perform imaging and especially imaging spectroscopy, ripples through the spacecraft design. The spacecraft has to have more power and a more capable communications system. These drive up spacecraft capabilities. You'll note that the working group didn't recommend a New Horizon's class spacecraft even for the three instruments. The narrow angle camera and Doppler imager themselves produce large amounts of data and that requires a more capable, Cassini-class spacecraft.Van Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14227978868817989527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-58078200366310452812017-06-28T23:33:19.706-07:002017-06-28T23:33:19.706-07:00Hi Van, I understand the more instruments you add ...Hi Van, I understand the more instruments you add to each spacecraft the heavier they get. 3 instruments = 50 kilos, 7 instruments = 90 kilos, 13 instruments = 150 kilos. The heavier it is the more it costs. However is it not possible to have 9 instruments @ 100 kilos or a different configuration? Were the instruments banded together for the expediency of the report or because they compliment each others results? Thanks EdmundEdmund_knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-10105524895356211032017-05-26T12:47:19.508-07:002017-05-26T12:47:19.508-07:00It is a new (better...) opportunity for Psyche: ht...It is a new (better...) opportunity for Psyche: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6854Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-22328775523299164872017-02-24T04:18:24.078-08:002017-02-24T04:18:24.078-08:00Would be great if they (guys and girls at NASA) wo...Would be great if they (guys and girls at NASA) would crate 360 visualization of Titan. Like they did with those exoplanets recently.Potissimushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10061736353118387566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-17079516469820128042017-02-15T18:33:30.058-08:002017-02-15T18:33:30.058-08:00In the next decade or so we will have:
BepyColombo...In the next decade or so we will have:<br />BepyColombo on Mercury<br />Venera-D and Indian mission on Venus<br />at least 2 sample returns and a lot more on the Moon<br />ExoMars Nasa 2020 rover and a lot more on Mars<br />several small body missions<br />Juice and American Europa missions on Jupiter<br />With this on Saturn, hopefully Nasa flagship mission to ice giants and New Horizons still going strong behind Pluto I would be happy.<br />And with China getting stronger, hopefully stronger Russia and countries like South Korea, UAE, Iran and new ESA members joining the party this could be really interesting next 10-15 years.<br />Venus untill recently seemed to be neglected but with<br />many flybys by BepiColombo, solar orbiter and solar probe plus, Venera-D getting serious and with what seems to be capable Indian mission things are looking brighter. And China is bound to have a Venus mission sooner rather than later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-33623999784047396812017-01-23T15:00:47.077-08:002017-01-23T15:00:47.077-08:00Good post.Good post.Tony M.http://entryleveljobscam.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-4387639783389908552017-01-11T10:03:23.160-08:002017-01-11T10:03:23.160-08:00@Ken - The Europa lander mission is approved. I&#...@Ken - The Europa lander mission is approved. I'm hearing rumblings that it may be very expensive... We will also see what the next Decadal Survey has to say.<br /><br />@Edmund - A future mission could do a rendezvous with one or more Trojan asteroids. I know of at least one team that planned to propose a mission to the New Frontiers competition. Other nations could also do a mission.<br />Van Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14227978868817989527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-270899075443508100.post-19845634088310765572017-01-07T05:24:13.165-08:002017-01-07T05:24:13.165-08:00Hi Van. Thanks for the blog.
The Trojans were a ...Hi Van. Thanks for the blog. <br /><br />The Trojans were a strong contender for New Frontiers (Trojan Tour and Rendezvous), but now that Lucy has been approved, what aspects of the Decadal Survey have not been covered? Obviously the 'tour part' covers a major part, does this mean that a 'rendezvous' with for instance Hektar could be undertaken by another Discovery mission, thereby completing the full Decadal Survey requirements?<br /><br />Has any more been said about possible destinations for the Lucy extend mission?<br />Also if Psyche was to have its own extended mission, are its scientific instruments of limited use on other nearby asteroids etc?Edmund Knoreply@blogger.com